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@  AionTemplar : (24 May 2018 - 02:48 PM) Nothing new today
@  deekayzero : (24 May 2018 - 06:54 AM) and in general just that nothing can ever be pay2win because you can never win in mmo's or at least not in pve apparently. which is awkward and really really sad that they take no pleasure from all the win states designed into these games which are the very basis of why they have such addictive qualities (which is also by design ofc).
@  deekayzero : (24 May 2018 - 06:53 AM) teh other fun thing the last couple weeks is new lows when it comes to defending one's favourite game from pay2win claims while often defining pay2win in such a way in their own words which is exactly the cash shop model of their favourite game they normally defend.
@  deekayzero : (24 May 2018 - 06:52 AM) funny thing about that isthe publisher tried to say some weird shit about the sub not being a subscription? it was weird and clumsy. but then a bunch of fans/viral marketting bots came and tried to double down on teh double speak there and it was funny af but also obnoxious.
@  deekayzero : (24 May 2018 - 06:52 AM) also people are excited for bless online for some reason i can't grasp. it's looks pretty generic and low budget korean mmo fodder that not even 3-4 years ago these people wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. i guess demanding totally unrelated to the mmo genre games become the quinteseential wow clone quest raid dungeon grinder they feedbacked the genre into a grave with hasn't been working out for them so well.
@  deekayzero : (24 May 2018 - 06:50 AM) and here i am like "the real controversy here is that they're shitting out yet another one of these shit shows already so soon after the last one they shit out. which to be fair it's been abotu six months since the last one i guess XD (is that being fair? :D)
@  deekayzero : (24 May 2018 - 06:50 AM) new rage of the week is the latest bf5 trailer and announcement. which is a ww2 game apparently. and has women in the trailer. so everyone upset with that one way or another.
@  Nobody : (22 May 2018 - 07:17 PM) there's just so much to rage about in life...
@  deekayzero : (18 May 2018 - 06:07 AM) everyone raging about cod blops4 being on bnet lol.
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 06:35 PM) yep. i love that about minecraft.
@  Nobody : (13 May 2018 - 03:12 PM) you know what's cool about minecraft - if I don't like some drop rate or how some mod is working I just download it from github and change it...
@  Nobody : (13 May 2018 - 03:11 PM) tho some of the most fun I ever had was back with the old muds...
@  Nobody : (13 May 2018 - 03:11 PM) sometimes things happened in the older games that weren't necessarily intentional or cash related at all... because nobody knew entirely what they were doing I suspect. It was fun. I think they know what they're doing in milking money now mostly...
@  Nobody : (13 May 2018 - 03:08 PM) wow dk, I come back to my computer and need a tldr...
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 08:09 AM) the mmo industry has been first and foremost above all else abotu making revenue generation tools since the 80s. and they give zero fucks about your pretensions to fun or socailizing. any fun you might have is incidental and unintended. and antiscoial toxic behaiour is enouraged both in the game design and in their marketting efforts.
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 07:33 AM) the ongoing history of the progession of this genre since the 80s is an ever increasing number of chocies that are anti fun anti consumer and all about the greed of the developers. and those developers are completely non chalant in their sense of entitlement to players moneys no matter the revenue model. f2p sub b2p cash shop or no it doesn't matter. every game in the gerne is designedfirst and foremost above all to extract capital from customers and any fun or positive experiences along the way are unintentional afterthoughts for these people.
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 07:30 AM) the mmo genre, it's rockstar veteran developer heads, and the most visible vocal fans and the influencers who profit off their whining are all a pox on the premise of virtual worlds as online games. and they are front in center in shittign all over and killing it to feed their own selfishness.
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 07:28 AM) and then you get bored mmo fandom feeling underserved so they start brigaging other games demanding those games be their typical wow clone trash they so crave and then shitting all over them en masse for not being the mmo they demiand despite the game in question never having been promoted as ever being anything like they decided it'[s trash for not being. and it's just absolutely bizzarre and absurd. like why does sea of theives need wow clone style content? why does wild west need mmo style pve servers and focus? it's rediculous. it's the transpoition of the olde "THIS GAME NEEDS RAIDS AND LADDER PVP OIR ELSE IT WILL FAIL" beyond hte mmo genre in hamfisted and awkward ways that are incredibly brain dead and willfully ignorant projections of their own entitlement into games they feel entitlement to demand ownership over despite not ever advertising ot pandering to the things they've decided they must have.
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 07:23 AM) we played rift prime a couple months ago and they kept going on about "vanilla like experience" in terms of exp rates and shit, but it was vastly slower than vanilla launch era in every way. and why? because they thought they could milk subs if they made it even grindier than it was in 2011. it was completely transparent in an unintentional manner that that was the intention. they also nerfed drop rates of cosmetics from dungeons into the ground because it was "too generous" because apparently getting rewards for doing content without treating it like a 2nd full time job is being too nice to players in this fucking trash genre.
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 07:01 AM) it's funny when i see reddit and the popular influencers posing as critics talk about this or that game's monetization scheme being a grindy cash grab when i play them and it's not even 1/10th what i can expect in any given mmo i've played over the past decade. often these games are a breath of fresh air in terms of how well they respect my time and wallet compared to what i'm accustomed to in the MMO genre and what i see so many peers defend so rigousously. the genre is an utter shit show of dystopian cynicism and lazy half assed greed. i don't even think many of the top lead developers like the genre or making games in it or the players of the genre very much at all based on thre products they produce in it.
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 06:58 AM) mmoi genre is more well definied by it's shitty monetization driven design paradigms and progression than literally anything else. that is the singular defining element that makes the mmo genre a genre. it's not virtual worlds or large populations or action bars - it's shitty predatory revenue schemes. and it has always been that day since the days of aol/compuserve MUDs that cost $15 an hour logged in.
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 06:56 AM) if anything the genre across the board regardless of revenue model has become far worse than what non mmo playing gamers complain about from other companies in other genres while progressively reneging on just about everything that made the mmo genre novel and interesting at all whatosver in their quest to further monetize every aspect of their games and prey upon those skinner box endorphin centers of the brain to maximize ROI while also being incredibly bankrupt and hipocrticial af on social media and their own private blogs
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 06:54 AM) and all of them have featured rich ande healthy RMT business operations as consumers have been spending to bypass the shitty obnoxious grinds fo these games longer than the term MMORPG has existed.
@  deekayzero : (13 May 2018 - 06:53 AM) all sub games and b2p mmo's are worse than any western made f2p game and often on a level with asian region f2p games for that kind of shit. aion was full of that shit long before it went f2p for example. i remember hoards of people happily downloading and using shitty free bot programs in aion because of the painful grindiness that started rather early (but just late enough that it would be easy to miss or ignore in the prevew "beta" weekends they did)> gw2 is b2p and the entire progression design and tuning is to get you spend money on gems. ffxiv is grindy af in tedious and obnoxiously dry ways that serves no narrative or fun focused purpose and is intended purely to gate your fun times and elongate your sub spending. wow is gated in such a way to keep you subbed. eve had timed progression to the point eve players would talk about how great it was that they didn't have to actually play to progress just sign in and train skills now and then.
@  Nobody : (13 May 2018 - 05:44 AM) but who am I to complain.... I'm playing minecraft because all the old good mods seem to be getting updated right now...
@  Nobody : (13 May 2018 - 05:41 AM) think about it as paying rather than playing. It's why I pretty much don't play f2p games at all. they're designed to have boring parts that I want to pay to get out of
@  deekayzero : (10 May 2018 - 07:14 AM) that'sis generally what the term pay2win means. LOL
@  Divinelysian : (01 May 2018 - 11:36 AM) but you can save a lot of time by spending a lot of real money yes
@  Divinelysian : (01 May 2018 - 11:35 AM) Aion eu was never p2w
@  AionTemplar : (29 April 2018 - 09:51 AM) Disney is Aion EU still P2W?
@  deekayzero : (25 April 2018 - 06:46 AM) irl is good for you!
@  Divinelysian : (24 April 2018 - 02:48 PM) i didn't even see any post about 420
@  Divinelysian : (24 April 2018 - 02:48 PM) Been spending too much time irl
@  deekayzero : (20 April 2018 - 06:32 AM) happy 420 yall! :D
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@  deekayzero : (17 April 2018 - 06:36 AM) lol
@  AionTemplar : (16 April 2018 - 11:05 AM) Any news on Aion?
@  deekayzero : (14 April 2018 - 07:50 AM) https://youtu.be/2-hFrEecThs dos2 has a cool arena mode for pvp that really feels surprisingly like playing chess. was really surprised by that. you usually expect rpg pvp to be a cluster fuck especially as it goes harder to the RPG side of things away from twitch gameplay.
@  deekayzero : (06 April 2018 - 07:37 AM) even tho they're a couple levels lower than us now they still give really fat exp and we leveled up like at least once so far doing this with still some action to go in the zone LOL
@  deekayzero : (06 April 2018 - 07:36 AM) we got to a fight in DOS2 where we were severely out gunned and somewhat out leveled so last night we went back to teh newbie island to slaughter all the "prison guard" npc's that are automatically hostile to us for exp.
@  Nobody : (04 April 2018 - 02:42 PM) ouchies
@  deekayzero : (04 April 2018 - 08:53 AM) fought a kraken in sea of thieves last night. seems people have caught on to lag hax in the game or at least the game is match making people in NA with SA for some reason and it causes lag that gives the SA people a big advantage in pvp.
@  Nobody : (03 April 2018 - 06:31 PM) nice price point then
@  deekayzero : (03 April 2018 - 10:04 AM) cheaper than logo'ed shirts from walmart too even after shipping. :D
@  deekayzero : (03 April 2018 - 10:03 AM) i ordered and recieved shirts with pics of my face and shane nelson's face on them this weekend. the future is now.
@  deekayzero : (30 March 2018 - 05:51 PM) that's the star wars ai hat thing looks pretty cool
@  Nobody : (30 March 2018 - 02:11 PM) i admit to not being particularly into ddr rhythm type things, but dual light sabers just look fun. I like mah swords
@  Nobody : (30 March 2018 - 02:10 PM) want:youtube.com/watch?v=gV1sw4lfwFw
@  Nobody : (30 March 2018 - 11:54 AM) i admit I've just personally given up on mmo's overall... didn't take to the f2p thing at all
@  deekayzero : (29 March 2018 - 10:45 AM) http://massivelyop.c...o-monetization/ this is interesting nad topical and personally relevant :O
@  deekayzero : (29 March 2018 - 07:32 AM) problemwith blockchain in teh real world tho is it's incredibly slow compared to any other kidn of transaction/accounting systems we already use irl. which is why the crypto bubble bursting fully is going to be a clsuter fuck with a lot of very public qq from investors.
@  deekayzero : (29 March 2018 - 07:31 AM) and basically these people get paid a transaction fee for every transaction their farm processes in the blockchain, which is sort of like a decentralized accounting system that tracks transactions
@  deekayzero : (29 March 2018 - 07:31 AM) ye blockchain is in the document that crypto was in originally. people gold rushed on crypto without paying much attention to teh blockchain part for a long time, but now the people that stand to profit from blockchain (who are currently profitting from it due to cryptominers needing to use it) want to get it widely adopted in real world applications so they can profit off it in a way that doesn't involve the funny money that is crypto.
@  Nobody : (28 March 2018 - 04:05 PM) pretty much all related to blockchain stuff
@  Nobody : (28 March 2018 - 04:05 PM) well, there were these companies at gdc that had no relation and no pitch for a relation with games...
@  deekayzero : (28 March 2018 - 04:03 PM) well more the crypto people but they benefit from blockchain and have been pushing it alot lately so they stay relevant (and start making real money).
@  Nobody : (28 March 2018 - 04:00 PM) but the stupid blockchain folks are the ones making it impossible to buy newer gpu's at reasonable prices
@  Nobody : (28 March 2018 - 04:00 PM) because nobody doing games cares about that at all as far as we can tell
@  Nobody : (28 March 2018 - 03:59 PM) I feel your pain dk - btw, had an interesting convo with another games person today who thinks blockchain stuff was so hot at GDC because all the gpu manufacturers were there and talking about future gpu's
@  deekayzero : (28 March 2018 - 08:32 AM) but one thing is for sure: making a video or comment about how shitty the game is in every way even if those comments or videos don't really reflect the reality of the game at all is good internet points and more importantly good cash money profit.

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